Navigating the Obligations to the Visible and Invisible Church

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Part 10 –
Navigating the Obligations to the Visible and Invisible Church
This episode provides practical application on how to navigate obligations made to the invisible church upon conversion and those derived from participation in the visible assembly. The believer’s ultimate identity is Christ Himself, He Himself declaring that He is the Rock upon which the church is built. (Matthew 16:18) He is the foundation upon which we build, incurring the responsibilities and obligations binding on all believers present throughout Scripture, and one of them is participation in the local assembly (Hebrews 10:25). The episode warns against 2 extremes. Some Christians subsume their individual calling by Christ (His Invisible church) into the visible church, so conflating the two that a falling out with an assembly results in refusal to participate in other churches. Visible churches and saints undergoing sanctification inevitably disappoint, and disagreement often highlights our predominant identity, either Christ or the visible church. Those with a healthy identity in Christ may part ways with a local assembly, but their devotion to Christ results in them serving Him in another location, for their responsibilities and obligations to Christ remain, irrespective of disagreement with a visible church. The episode also addresses the other extreme, where participation in a visible church is largely subject to our individual calling by Christ, colored by the lens of OUR gifts and preferences. Those subject to this extreme tend to participate in the visible church based on their myopic agenda without respecting leadership oversight in promoting that church’s vision, where “every joint supplies.” (Eph. 4:16) All saints should ideally live out of their fundamental identity in Christ, but be willing to submit their giftings and natural abilities to Christ’s overseers.
  • 00:00:35 – Introduction to Kingdom Questions
  • 00:00:53 – Addressing the Omission of “Saints”
  • 00:02:09 – The Danger of Corporate Identity
  • 00:03:59 – The Role of the Holy Spirit
  • 00:06:09 – Prioritizing Individual Sainthood
  • 00:08:45 – Finding the Right Church
  • 00:10:06 – Serving with an Open Agenda
  • 00:12:15 – Understanding Our Contribution to the Kingdom
  • 00:12:56 – Closing Thoughts and Prayer
Part 10 –
Navigating the Obligations to the Visible and Invisible Church
  • 00:00:35 – Introduction to Kingdom Questions
  • 00:00:53 – Addressing the Omission of “Saints”
  • 00:02:09 – The Danger of Corporate Identity
  • 00:03:59 – The Role of the Holy Spirit
  • 00:06:09 – Prioritizing Individual Sainthood
  • 00:08:45 – Finding the Right Church
  • 00:10:06 – Serving with an Open Agenda
  • 00:12:15 – Understanding Our Contribution to the Kingdom
  • 00:12:56 – Closing Thoughts and Prayer
This episode provides practical application on how to navigate obligations made to the invisible church upon conversion and those derived from participation in the visible assembly. The believer’s ultimate identity is Christ Himself, He Himself declaring that He is the Rock upon which the church is built. (Matthew 16:18) He is the foundation upon which we build, incurring the responsibilities and obligations binding on all believers present throughout Scripture, and one of them is participation in the local assembly (Hebrews 10:25). The episode warns against 2 extremes. Some Christians subsume their individual calling by Christ (His Invisible church) into the visible church, so conflating the two that a falling out with an assembly results in refusal to participate in other churches. Visible churches and saints undergoing sanctification inevitably disappoint, and disagreement often highlights our predominant identity, either Christ or the visible church. Those with a healthy identity in Christ may part ways with a local assembly, but their devotion to Christ results in them serving Him in another location, for their responsibilities and obligations to Christ remain, irrespective of disagreement with a visible church. The episode also addresses the other extreme, where participation in a visible church is largely subject to our individual calling by Christ, colored by the lens of OUR gifts and preferences. Those subject to this extreme tend to participate in the visible church based on their myopic agenda without respecting leadership oversight in promoting that church’s vision, where “every joint supplies.” (Eph. 4:16) All saints should ideally live out of their fundamental identity in Christ, but be willing to submit their giftings and natural abilities to Christ’s overseers.

Episode Scripture References -

1 Corinthians 12:13, Ephesians 4:16, Hebrews 10:25

More About This Episode -

Victor discusses the dangers of conflating one’s corporate identity associated with a local visible church with individual responsibilities as a saint. He warns against relying on a church membership for one’s relationship with God. If a person identifies primarily with their church and later experiences conflict with that body, it could lead them to abandon their faith altogether. He urges listeners that one’s obligations and responsibilities as a saint should take precedence over any local church affiliation.


Victor explains that when individuals come to Christ, they are placed in the body of Christ by the Holy Spirit, which is separate from any visible church. He encourages listeners to remember their responsibilities in their personal relationship with God, independent of their local church dynamics. Victor cites 1 Corinthians chapter twelve, where believers are baptized into the body of Christ, getting to know their gifts within a local assembly.


He further highlights the potential pitfalls of being overly preoccupied with finding a church that caters to personal preferences, which can lead to choosing a church based on self-interest rather than God’s agenda. Victor suggests a better approach is to attend a church with the mindset of seeking how one can serve, rather than looking for a church that matches one’s desires.


In summary, Victor emphasizes that one’s identity as a saint – a child of God set aside for His purposes – must remain the central focus over corporate identity or personal preferences in church selection. He concludes the episode with a prayer for God’s purposes to reign supreme in listeners’ lives.

Key Terms From This Episode -

Main Theme: Why does Apostle Paul not refer to Galatian believers as saints in his letter?

    Key Points:

  • Explores later usage of “saints” to underline individual identity
  • Reliance on church membership can jeopardize personal faith
  • Individuals are placed in the body of Christ by the Holy Spirit, independent of visible churches
  • Encourages listeners to focus on personal relationship with God
  • Cites 1 Corinthians 12 about believers being baptized into the body of Christ
  • Episode Scripture References -

    1 Corinthians 12:13, Ephesians 4:16, Hebrews 10:25

    More About This Episode -

    Victor discusses the dangers of conflating one’s corporate identity associated with a local visible church with individual responsibilities as a saint. He warns against relying on a church membership for one’s relationship with God. If a person identifies primarily with their church and later experiences conflict with that body, it could lead them to abandon their faith altogether. He urges listeners that one’s obligations and responsibilities as a saint should take precedence over any local church affiliation.


    Victor explains that when individuals come to Christ, they are placed in the body of Christ by the Holy Spirit, which is separate from any visible church. He encourages listeners to remember their responsibilities in their personal relationship with God, independent of their local church dynamics. Victor cites 1 Corinthians chapter twelve, where believers are baptized into the body of Christ, getting to know their gifts within a local assembly.


    He further highlights the potential pitfalls of being overly preoccupied with finding a church that caters to personal preferences, which can lead to choosing a church based on self-interest rather than God’s agenda. Victor suggests a better approach is to attend a church with the mindset of seeking how one can serve, rather than looking for a church that matches one’s desires.


    In summary, Victor emphasizes that one’s identity as a saint – a child of God set aside for His purposes – must remain the central focus over corporate identity or personal preferences in church selection. He concludes the episode with a prayer for God’s purposes to reign supreme in listeners’ lives.

    Key Terms From This Episode -

    Main Theme: Why does Apostle Paul not refer to Galatian believers as saints in his letter?

      Key Points:

  • Explores later usage of “saints” to underline individual identity
  • Reliance on church membership can jeopardize personal faith
  • Individuals are placed in the body of Christ by the Holy Spirit, independent of visible churches
  • Encourages listeners to focus on personal relationship with God
  • Cites 1 Corinthians 12 about believers being baptized into the body of Christ
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